Because I didn't read them, I was blissfully unaware of the loathsome philosophy they promote. In SL, I came across a store selling silks, thought "how pretty!" and bought a set... but then I discovered their connotations as the dress of a Gorean kajira (slave girl), and I will not wear them again.
In the world of Gor, man's rightful place is dominant, while a woman is only truly happy as a man's slave. There are some free women, but they are subject to enslavement—after all, according to Gorean philosophy, it's for their own good.
A dear friend, Foxbean Liebknecht, is making T-shirts that express one opinion of Gor... and from the above, I dare say you can guess what that opinion is. It features the stylized lower case "k", called "kef" by Goreans, that starts the word kajira, with the international traffic sign symbol of prohibition. (The "kef" is one of the symbols that kajirae are branded with.) Here I am, shape adjusted to overcome the problems of the SL avatar shape when it comes to T-shirts with art or a message, wearing a beta test version of the shirt:
Foxbean plans to give this version of the shirt away. I hope it becomes extremely popular.
P.S. I will take advantage of this opportunity to remind you of Second Life JIRA entry VWR-1080, which requests a way to overcome the problem of SL clothing and non-convex portions of the avatar shape. Please vote for it.
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Nidan avan'she :)
La kajira... (translate "i'm slave")
Ok lets point one thing i think you have not realized this: gorean roleplay is, as it's named "ROLEPLAY", it's a game, it's like... "star wars roleplay" for example... It means.. "to play a role".. hum, how could i say... You see being an actress in a movie..? theater? It's the same.. lol.. It's all about litteracy...
I understand now why we are disturbed in our roleplay by "anti gor" griefers. I have just understood: it's just because they think it's true, they think it's like on the rest of SL.. "true mind" no it's not :) We use "alting" too: we play with several avatars etc. Much slaves are played by men who have also an avatar or master, etc etc... Just a game, don't worry, and just a book... do you like the movie "story of O"? ;) or "the secretary". so romantic aren't they... it's "fiction". the persons who play it "real" they don't force anyone to play real, they play together between adults and consensually.. (so, not disturbing the others, not disturbing you)
I wish you well :)
Elisa
What I find highly amusing about this whole topic is that it is being focused on by a person who sports tremendously unwieldy prim boobs and then complains about objectification of women. Just like you, many women (and probably quite a few men) choose to become embroiled in the Gorean sub-sub-culture.
While I agree that Norman what as at best, a crappy pulp writer still doesn't take away from the fact that some people "choose" to live this lifestyle. Its a typical fear influenced opinion of something you obviously don't understand. And while usually I'm the first to laugh at Goreans I have to stick up for them a bit. While I hate to liken them to my sub-group (BDSM) as I think their ideas are in the truest sense are unhealthy, in reality they aren't much different from many BDSMers I know.
So wear your shirt with pride, I guess.
This blog upsets me quite a bit... it's full of presumptions, one sided views of right and wrong and most of all hate.
I am a to use the authors words a SLAVE both in RL and SL. This is MY choice it has not been forced on me it just feels right for me. While I am not a gorean slave those that choose this deserve respect. Remember it is a CHOICE, gorean or BD submission is choosen by a free person. before you judge do some research!
-= A Submissive's Bill of Rights =-
1. You have the right to be treated with respect. Not only do you have this right, you have the right to demand it. Being submissive does not make you a doormat or less of a person than anyone else. The word "submissive" describes your nature and in no way diminishes you as a human being. You have the right to respect yourself as well.
2. You have the right to be proud of what you are. Being a submissive is nothing that should ever bring you shame or feelings of reproach. Your submissive nature is a gift and should always be a source of pride and happiness.
3. You have the right to feel safe. Being a submissive should not make you feel afraid, insecure or threatened. Submission is not about living on the edge or flirting with fear. In any situation you should feel safe or there can never be true surrender.
4. You have the right to your emotions and feelings. Your emotions and feelings come from you and they are just as valid as anyone else's. You have a right to them. Those feelings, whether positive or negative, make you who you are and suppressing them will only bring unhappiness later.
5. You have the right to express your negative feelings. Being submissive does not make you an object that no longer has negative thoughts or concerns. Your concerns are real and you have every right to express them. If something doesn't feel right, bothers you, makes you feel bad or you just plain don't like something, say so. Failing to express your negative feelings could give the mistaken impression that you are pleased or satisfied with something that is not pleasurable or agreeable.
6. You have the right to say NO. Being submissive does not take away your right to have dislikes or negative feelings about things. If something is happening or about to happen that you feel strongly opposed to, it's your duty to speak up. Remember, failing to communicate the word NO is the same as saying YES.
7. You have the right to expect happiness in life. Being submissive is not tantamount to being miserable, suffering or a life of despair. Your submission should bring you joy, peace and fulfillment. If it doesn't, then something is wrong.
8. You have the right to have input in a relationship. You are an active partner in any relationship you enter and have every right to contribute to it. You are submissive, not passive. A relationship that doesn't include your needs, thoughts, hopes and desires is not one you should be in to begin with. This applies to friendships, partnerships and D/s relationships.
9. You have the right to belong. Being submissive greatly involves the feeling of belonging. Many submissives have expressed that it was in discovering their submissive nature that they felt as through they "belonged" for the first time in their lives. You belong to the lifestyle and will eventually belong to the One. It's in that relationship you should find the final fulfillment of "belonging" at last.
10. You have the right to be loved and to love. Anyone who tells you that love doesn't fit into a D/s relationship has never experienced the fulfillment of all it truly can be. Submissives are by nature loving and needing of love and have every right to expect this to be a part of their lives. It takes love to bring your submission into full bloom, so don't settle for less.
11. You have the right to be healthy. Health involves your physical, mental and emotional well-being. Any relationship, D/s or otherwise, that causes you to suffer physically, mentally or emotionally, beyond your limits, is abuse. There is no place for abusive behavior in a D/s relationship and it's up to you to make sure those lines are not crossed. Being a submissive does not give anyone the right to harm or injure you in any way. The D/s community will stand behind you if you should encounter such a situation but you are the one who has to make them aware before they can help.
12. You have the right to practice safe sex. Not only is this a right, it's a duty to yourself and others you may come into contact with at a later date. Sexually transmitted diseases have reached epidemic proportions and must be a concern to any sexually active person. Safe Sex is something you have the right to insist upon and protecting yourself should never be discouraged by anyone who really has your best interests at heart.
Now while all of these rights do not extent to our gorean siblings quite a few of them do. See rights 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11 and 12
Right on, Sister!
I have read one of the Gor books, and you are correct. They are crappy pot-boilers. But that I could forgive: a lot of fantasy and SF is crap.
I'm a Gor-hater, even though I'm a dominant in SL. Gradually, however, I've become resigned to Gor in SL, though not in Norman's odious and misogynistic books. At one time, I wanted to destroy anything Gorean...now I just ignore Norman's little machismo fantasies in-world.
Let's set a few matters straight. As a few of your critics point out, in D/s the surrender is voluntary. My Pet is no slave. The difference from a slave? Slaves are taken against their will.
It's quite true that SL Kajira do want to submit to a Master (which is fine; I've no trouble with willing submission of women to men). Or the RP their resistance and training as Kajira.
But Norman's books, the very basis for the SL Gorean RP experience, include force-capture and enslavement. And with the exception of Panther-Women, Gor is a Man's World.
Have your critics read ABOUT Norman? He believed that women wanted to be subservient, not equal, to men. As for the Taliban, Norman's view was that this is proper and fitting.
And his slave-girls enjoyed their second-class state.
Even in RP, that's odious to me. Do it if you wish, but don't expect me to respect your status or interest.
My goodness, I am so glad all people aren't blind like you.
I first learned BDSM through a toned down Gorean house ad you are just throwing your presumtions out.
I was a Free Woman and though I did not like Gor and don't pratice it anymore. I OWN a kajirus... which means male slave.
I am into BDSM now and still have my wonderful boy, collared and in love.
I wonder if you think that BDSM is sinful and wrong as well, probably. What are you? A middle-aged, middle-classed twit who thinks anything but white-bread norm is "bad" or "stupid"?
You know what the main rule is? SAFE, SANE, CONSENTUAL! The anonymous who said this blog upsets her/him is right... you are taking a one-sided view of right and wrong.
Tell you what... next time you want to oppose something.. get some info and you won't look so ignorant.
Hopes to increase in youre intellegence,
Kalani
P.S what an utter joke your boobs are. "Oh women are being subjecated by males... let's see if I can't be a walking contradictions and have boobs bigger then my head". Try willing your brain before you fill your bra next time.
I am a Gorean male and the owner of a lovely kajira (slavegirl). We laugh, joke, go dancing and do everything that "Normal couples" do.
The difference, she is willing and happy to serve me as a slave. She feels that it puts her in touch with a part of her that has been lost in the modern world and enjoys being "desired" by men.
Is Gor open to abuse? Of course. Is is badly written? Oh Hell yes!
But one of the reasons the books have survived (the first books were written 40 years ago and have been long out of print) is because deep inside of us we feel that something is missing. That their is a place where honor, dedication and service still mean something.
In the books, only 1 - 2% of the total female population was slave at any one time. That means that the majority of woman were free to make their own choices, live their own lives how they choose. The Gorean Free woman was loved and respected and held in great respect.
Please be sure to learn about something before making a generalization in the future.
I think people on SL clearly have no real clue about the "gorean lifestyle" while they may be ROLE playing, which is fine, I guess, people IRL LIVE the Gorean Lifestyle and it is misogynistic. It's basically a little cult. It's like scientology for kinky people.
I am female and live in Master/pet relationship. In real life. For 8 years. I consider myself to be "owned" so I'm not a stranger to the BDSM or D/s subcultures.
But even AS a submissive/owned female in a total power exchange relationship to a MALE master, I find the Gorean philosophy DISGUSTING.
Not only is it against women, but it's against men, because assuming men as a whole behave in this way or should behave in this way is insane. Surely only men with big beer guts and tiny little winkies actually behave in this way toward women.
I also feel that all the "positions" and "rules" take away from more genuine expressions that can be found in an ownership based relationship.
So...um, yeah. Goreans can kiss my submissive little ass. Seriously.
greetings,
this girl is not Gorean, but leads the Gorean lifestyle in real life and in sl as well. this one was a BDSM slave for many years in rl, and has researched the differences between Goreans and the BDSM subcultures.
- Goreans have creed, honour, and trusting relations with others..BDSM - no creed or honour that this girl can find, just a Master who dominates a female..
- Goreans have a loving, respectful, and fulfilling relationship where the woman understands and accepts that Males dominate the Gorean society.. BDSM - a girl wants a Master to dominate her, not a relationship, or a lasting thing.. but domination for the moment.
- Gorean slaves respect the Free, and the Free respect the slave's giving nature that allows them to serve willingly..BDSM - yes, there are a few BDSM'ers that acknowledge that the service is willing and of the heart.
- In Gor, punishment is handed down to teach the slave that what he or she did was not right, just as a father or mother would punish a child, or as a friend would correct another's harmful actions.. BDSM slaves fear the whip, whereas Gorean slaves fear their Master or Mistress' displeasure with something they did wrong.
- Gor is love in its purest and simplist form.. BDSM is sex, sex, and more sex (Bondage Discipline, Sadism, Masochism)
- Gor is respect in its simplist form...BDSM - where's the respect really?
To shed even more light on the Master/slave relationship on Gor, here is a quote straight from the book: "Marlenus sat down cross legged. He looked on her intently. He studied her. He gave her great attention. I knew on earth many men did not know their wives. They did not truly look upon them. Never, truly, had they seen them. But a Gorean Master will know every inch, and care for every inch, of one of his slave girls. He will know every hair, every sweet blemish of her. In a way she is nothing to him, for she is only slave. But in another way she is very important to him. She is one of his women. He will know her. He will want to know her completely, every inch of her body, every inch of her mind. Nothing less will satisfy him. She is his property. He will choose to know his property thoroughly." Hunters Of Gor.
This girl believes in education. she does her research before speaking, and she takes pride in the fact that she is a humble servant of her Master. she hopes that this post will not only inform others about Gor, and REAL Gorean philosophies, but she also posts here to bring honour to her loving Master.
thank You for allowing this girl to post.
~talena
la kajira
And i am proud to be such. It is chosen...not forced and freeing to be a slave in both Cyberland and RL.
Please... since you don't understand it. Leave it alone.
Yes the books are poorly written but the stories are good and some people ENJOY the life style. As much as you enjoy walking around SL with breasts the size of baby elephants.
Do not judge other peoples lives and wishes and we will not judge YOUR questionable choices...by posting this you were only drawing attention to you, your views and your own rather regrettable ignorance.
Wow. I think one of the "gor haters" misconceptions is the background values behind what is conceived as gorean. Instantly one who values Gor is seen as "kinky" and THEY cannot think outside of sex. How sad that their minds are stuck in the gutter.
I live a heavy D/s relationship with my Master, and have done so for 8 years. We live by many of the gorean beliefs and guess what? None of them are stuck in a sexual manner.
As Luther so aptly put it: Live in accordance with nature.
While you, gorean hater, expect us to respect your decision and choices, please do so in turn. You are not likely to find a gorean walking around proclaiming actions of loathing against those who are not like them. Now will we decide to make very sure as many people as possible get on our side to launch some form of attack. As gorean, we have more respect and acceptance of people and their changing views. As you launch your attack on SL Gor, remember, you are attacking people and their freedom of choice.
And last but not least - so many people turn to me and say "your eyes sparkle when you speak of Chris (my Master)" and the reason for this? I have never, ever been so happy in a relationship. I don't expect you to understand but really...... your comprehension is irrelevant isn't it?
There would be no lifestyle without the Gorean philosophy. The philosophy is the required foundation for the lifestyle. And if one wishes to follow a Gorean philosophy in their lives, it is essential that they understand fully what they are trying to follow. Otherwise, they do a disservice to themselves. One could convert to Catholicism, and then go to Mass, receive the Eucharist and go to confession. But, unless they understood the basics of the faith, the essential fundamentals of that faith, they would only be going through the motions. And no one should just "go through the motions" in their chosen lifestyle. Comprehension is essential and highly beneficial.
**Gorean Philosophy, #72, Version 5.0 - Luthers Scrolls**
Sadly you made the mistake most passing observers do in thinking Gor is the fantasy of a dominanyt male who wants to enslave women..
WRONG.. it the fantasy of a submissive man played in SL by 300+ Rollplayers 78% of which are ...WOMEN !
It's actually the craving of submissives to live in a world where strong people take all the responsabilty and they remain safe and treasured.
So please stop trying to force your own doctrine on women who are old enough not to need you to make their life chioces for them.
Isn't you tshirt really saying .."No I will NOT allow you to do that, You must do as I say"
How very sad this post is, decrying the philosophies of Gor without knowing anything about it. And also the bdsm followers, who say that Goreans are sick yet at the same time hypocritically espousing their own philosophies/lifestyles and agenda, which in turn is looked down upon by vanilla, or straight people.
"But even AS a submissive/owned female in a total power exchange relationship to a MALE master, I find the Gorean philosophy DISGUSTING.
Not only is it against women, but it's against men, because assuming men as a whole behave in this way or should behave in this way is insane. Surely only men with big beer guts and tiny little winkies actually behave in this way toward women."
(posted by Anonymous)
Wake up, pet, you are owned - what do you think that means? It means you have your very own potbellied Master whom you crawl and submit to. He corrects you when you are bad or naughty, probably even whips you. I, also, have been in the bdsm scene for years, but unlike you, I support grown adults living their lives as they wish, with happiness, as long as they are not breaking laws or hurting people. You think you're lily white in your 'total power exchange' relationship? Get a grip lady! You are submissive to your Master - that's one of the strongest precepts in Gor. The submission, and a woman's beauty in her submission, and the acceptance of a man's true role in the society. Why do you want to be with a Dominant man, Anonymous? It's because you acknowledge that he IS dominant over your inner core, and it makes your pussy wet LOL!
How laughable, and yet what a sad comment on society this entry and some of the comments are. Please, do not embarrass yourselves with your ignorance any further. Learn a little about it, speak with the people who roleplay or live this life, before commenting on it.
For many it's roleplay, for some it's a lifestyle. The foundations of gorean philosphy are honor, love of home, family and pride and skill in work, care of valuable belongings - and yes, that includes slaves. The Dominants in Gor care enough about their slaves to train, correct, teach and enjoy their hearts, minds and bodies-thoroughly and intensely in a way most vanilla housewives would cry real tears of envy over. Yes, there is harshness in Gor, and yes, Gor is not fair - but tell me how that differs from life in general? Look around you, girl, see how women are objectified in society. Women are raised to make themselves as beautiful as possible and score a man. Then the relationship becomes one about - how much money the man can make to keep the female in luxury goods. For that the women opens her legs once in a while if he's lucky. Gor at least is honest about what they expect from both slaves and FW. The boundaries are there, once they are crossed then there are repercussions - something this world sadly needs to re-learn.
Blah..I know I'm speaking down a black hole. I just hate hypocrisy, and people being judgemental - leave Goreans to live their lives as they see fit. You don't see us Goreans forming a group against your offensive big breasts, do you?
lol I knew one - he was terrified of real women and yes, he had a tiny willy - worse - he was useless with it! Why ever would I want to be a submissive to a Gorean male when in reality they are cowards who use this philosophy to feel better about themselves. The whole thing negates itself.
Between the Goreans whining and throwing in BDSM terms when Gor is NOT BDSM but Science Fiction Roleplay that they then place BDSM terms into to not appear as loony as Wapanese Fantards and the "haters" who throw out all of these assumptions based on a vague understanding of a how a "sheeple" mentality works...it's all very exhausting.
I played SL Gor for about one month, this was when I was attempting to get my Master into D/s and thought Gor would be a good introduction for me. Sure if Masters are really slobbish oafish shut ins with no social skills and kajira are actually simpering, codependent shut ins with low self-esteem. I lost interest fairly quickly, because it's all just a game. I couldn't take any of it seriously and it didn't have the depth of true submission- it was just serves, typed out "dances",and convoluted prim penis sex scenes.
A REAL M/s relationship revolves around contact between the Master and slave. You are trained in real life, you are punished in real life, you feel the ups and downs of being a human being in real life- not gnoshing on cheetos with crummy fingers in a dark living room while "whispering languidly from soft pouty lips" in a body that looks nothing like yours to a man you don't really know. I'm sorry, but that's pretty weak and pathetic.
Now if people want to step off-screen and live a Gorean lifestyle or BDSM lifestylye (I refuse to lump them together) then good for them, they're taking a monumental step. But UNTIL then, no, no props and it really is lame as hell.
Oh and by the way "Gorean Culture" isn't even original. Mofos need to start reading something other then Sci-Fi,you could mimic Roman culture in your lifestyle and have the same effect, with more history, more protocol, and not end up looking like an ass in fairy land.
Seriously, if I see one more person act like Gor is some bastion of new ideas I'm going to go insane. Americans...dumb as ever.
ok for starter anyone calling gor obscene after having a pair of prim boobs on there blogs logo needs to get there head examined not only do women in gor run free but some even own slaves so before you go make assumptions do some research and another all full time kajiras are that way by choice
I can't stand IRL Goreans, but I don't get why anyone cares what roleplayers do. Half of them are probably men, anyway, even many of the subs. As long as they don't hurt any real people, let them have their little crazy fantasies. The people who practice this stuff IRL and believe that Norman's philosophy should be led in real life hate the roleplayers, anyway, or at least the ones I've had the misfortune to meet do.
To some it may be a role-play , but to those that have the balls to play act this crap like its a legitimate offshoot of D/s is disgusting.Real D/s is about consent , not force . Real D/s allows for limits , anyone not having limits IE "kajirae" ( cause they're slaves and not allowed any) needs extensive psychiatric evaluation.my problem with gor is not those who merely role play it.Its with those who live it and sully legitimate BDSM D/s with their fantastical notions of supremacy and the people who hide behind the word Role-play . who are you trying to kid Elisa? have you read the filth? do you know what kind of example you're setting? would you allow a 13 yr old girl to run around in silks and refer to herself as "this one" or "this girl"?
the little lady down the list there felt it prudent to get out the submissives bill of rights and that's all well good but , she referred to herself as a slave . the submissive rights do not apply to her. slaves have no rights , period , unless they're given by the so called master. don't try to confuse people with pretty words. tell it like it is. you can find me on IMVU MmeRenard , proudly anti gor.
@Tempest , dont expect me to respect you when you erroniously and falsely state things people as fact.
It is a fact that John Norman wrote those books to the womens' Lib movement not because he believes the swill he wrote,
it is also a fact that he DID NOT advocate gor as a lifestyle . check your facts .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginative_Sex
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